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and we're live welcome everyone welcome
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to the channel my name is joe where i
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help you make better coffee and give you
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honest reviews
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today i am doing a live uh comparison
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versus video
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um between the uh atom 75 and the df-64
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before we get into it hit the like
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button if you have a chance subscribe
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helps me out a lot um but it is today
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the last day i have the atom 75 in
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the house i'd like to say it's a studio
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but it's definitely not it's just my
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kitchen so
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uh if everybody has any questions on it
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before we you know send it out i did a
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full review and everything so you could
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watch that but if you've already watched
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it and you have you know specific
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questions or you just have general
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questions put them in the comments and
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we can try to answer them but right now
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we're just gonna i'm gonna talk about
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them a little bit and say why i like you
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know one of them and the other one and i
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really don't like i don't dislike either
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of these grinders they're both really
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great um the atom 75 really the big
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feature
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is the fact that it's a 75 millimeter
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burst set versus the df60 i'm sorry df64
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that has a 64 millimeter burst set
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um they both run at the same rpm 1400
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rpm
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the atom 75 is definitely a little
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quieter at least to my ear i think in
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the decibel reading that we did it's
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actually not that different it's like
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maybe five decibels different but it to
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me i don't know why the df64 or the atom
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75 seems a lot quieter
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yeah so uh in terms of use though i will
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say this is a single
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dose grinder you definitely can't hopper
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feed it um so it's
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definitely slower like the workflow in
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general is going to be slower um if you
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are thinking if you're trying for some
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reason you're you're thinking oh maybe
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i'll do this one or maybe i'll do this
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well i'll say that if you're gonna do
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single dosing i probably wouldn't go
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with this grinder this is a little
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overkill for a single doser um
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and it's really hard to
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make really big adjustments if you like
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to switch between filter and everything
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now don't get me wrong this would be a
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good single doser you would have to get
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some some type of uh you know device to
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get you know puff everything out but um
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or plunge everything out whatever you
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want to call it but um
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yeah i i probably would stick with maybe
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the niche eureka actually sells a single
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doser i don't think it's the atom 75
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it's another
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i think it's like uh the atom or the
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eureka
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what is it speciality i think especially
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although i've heard bad things about it
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so maybe don't buy it anyways um
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yeah so another you know kind of nice
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feature is
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uh the the touch screen or not the
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touchscreen but like the buttons on here
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they are pretty nice you could easily
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adjust i've noticed that like if i if i
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change
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by .05 seconds which is the adjustments
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you could make you generally get about a
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gram or less uh difference probably a
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little less
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um
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every i would say like every fraction of
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a second almost equals
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like 2.2 grams or something like that
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it's something something crazy like that
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i can't remember the exact numbers but
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for example um i have two second two two
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seconds and 2.6 seconds
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listed here and i get about 16 grams out
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when i have this fully um
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loaded up
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so
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yeah you could do the math on that i
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think it's like two and a half two and a
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half grams per second 2.6 grams per
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second
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or by fraction of a second either way
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anyways
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so uh the df64 though i will say
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it's it is a joy to use the gf64 it's
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pretty nice you you know
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put some
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you know coffee in there you can't have
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it come out it's a pretty enjoyable
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experience you don't have any issues you
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know in terms of it getting stuck and
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having to move it and everything like
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that
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um
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i will say there is you know some
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definite flaws you definitely have more
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mess as the static the d static uh
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and the clumper in here is not as good
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as the eureka this one is like
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unbelievable the eureka has
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probably the best
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de-static system i've ever seen
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but
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you know
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this is 1500 this is 500 ish dollars or
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less
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so you know you're we are comparing
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apples and oranges a bit but they're
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both coffee grinders
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you know i could they're both coffee
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crackers everyone and they're both flat
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burst sets
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so i'm gonna let's make a shot i'm gonna
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do 16 grams
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out or yeah 16 grams in and we'll try to
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do
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i don't know we'll shoot for around 40
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grams out or something like that we'll
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we'll kind of just see as it goes so um
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hopefully it's dialed roughly in close
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enough where it's not too radically
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different but i think i think it will be
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but let's give it a shot
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um
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with that said does anybody if anybody
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has questions shoot them in the comments
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again
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by the way i meant to review this fellow
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but we had an issue with the first one
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it uh the pump actually broke so when i
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i just got this one in again
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and i'll probably review it but i will
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say that i
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i'm probably gonna keep that in the
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review the fact that i got one defective
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unit um it was a little bit
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disappointing
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anyways let's uh
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let's do this
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all right
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some of the things that you're talking
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about with the
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loudness i think you perceive
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the eureka as quieter because it takes
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less time yeah i don't know if i meant i
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think i mentioned that the eureka is
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blazing fast if you have this loaded
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like i said 2.6 seconds it's one two
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you're done grinding it's
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it's really unbelievable um how fast the
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grinder really is
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i don't know i honestly i haven't single
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dose with this so this will be the first
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ooh coffee mess
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this will be the first time i'm actually
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single dosing with it
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so we'll see how that goes
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all right we're exactly at 16. so let's
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start with the eureka
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and see how it goes from there
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actually
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i'm going to measure how much we get out
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too because you never know
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what the actual
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what the retention is so it'll be
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interesting to see that
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there we go
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man that was an intense buck let me get
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this one out
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actually you know what let me use the uh
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bottomless portafilter that way
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make it a little bit prettier
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and we can assess the shot a little bit
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more
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i just want to get some of the water off
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that
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it was a little uh
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had some coffee residue at the bottom so
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i thought it'd be nice to do that all
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right so let's do this
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tar it
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in oh the other thing i really like
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about this that a lot of people don't
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talk about is the light i i know this is
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like
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maybe an absolutely ridiculous thing to
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be to like but
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i like the light i think it's nice it's
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easy to see
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whoa there must have been some coffee
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grinds in there so
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we're not going to be able to test the
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retention there maybe i'll do another
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one after we do the shot
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let's uh let's try to get this
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equaled
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out all right
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oop
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there we go
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16 on the dot
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so i don't i mean this grinder doesn't
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really need wdt i don't think i
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i've had a discussion with hoon actually
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uh we had a a long one i
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i don't think wdt as long as your
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grinder is really good is 100 necessary
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now maybe if you're doing it for
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distribution
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that i could see that being useful but
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um
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if you have a really non-clumpy grinder
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in terms of breaking up the clumps it's
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not that big of a deal
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at least in my opinion i haven't noticed
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a huge difference in the shock quality
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um
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now how i distribute is i just kind of
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like tap a bunch and that's kind of how
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i get a nice even bed and then i use my
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distribution tool and then tamp so it
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goes does a pretty good job
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let me clean off my puck screen
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i am a big fan of this puck screen by
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the way i haven't stopped using it
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it just makes even if it doesn't make
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any difference to the coffee which i
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think it does a little bit um
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it definitely helps
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um
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make a little bit cleaner shot and
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keeps the um
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channeling down
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but
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if it was just to make your puck
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knockouts better i would buy it just for
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that
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anyways all right so let's do this i'm
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going to do
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a nice pre-infusion for five seconds
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and then we are gonna stop it
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till about
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ten
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and i'm gonna slowly ramp it on up
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all right
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little over 45.
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so that wasn't the best shot that we
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pulled on this for sure but
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yeah you know you got to deal with what
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you got to deal with
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all right
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so that one's 44 grams in 29 seconds
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let me do another one
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with the df64
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beautiful yeah i mean look at that
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again the work i actually think the
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workflow might be slightly faster
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with the puck screen even though you
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have to take the time to take it off and
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take it on but i can just lightly tap
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puck screen comes out and then i can tap
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there and as long as you're quick
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i don't find it a huge deal if you don't
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rinse this immediately if you're doing a
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couple shots back to back
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anyways next
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let's do it
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let's turn it in tear it turret tear
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it's a tear
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all right
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there you go
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dang it
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sometimes getting exactly the right
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amount is so hard all right there we go
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all right 16 grams i'm set to 45 up this
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i will say like one thing that i think
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some people get annoyed with with any of
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these
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like
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infinite dials basically is that there's
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not really an like a lineup it doesn't
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like oh this is the espresso range um
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like right now we're at the mocha range
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it's just because of like where you
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start screwing in but the same is true
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with this it's not like there's oh if i
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turn it you know four times or something
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you're in you're now in the like you
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know filter range or anything like that
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so
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you know i i don't know i to me it's not
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that big of a deal but i know for some
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people especially if you're like a big
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fan of like
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what is it the niche
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it might
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annoy you because the niche is sort of
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accurate when it comes to that
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oh one thing to mention on this is
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don't puff don't like
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puff the
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the grinds out until after you're done
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because if you start doing it while it's
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going this is just pushed up via a
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spring
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so it will actually make the coffee
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finer if you push early
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so just kind of a note interesting
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tidbit
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most grinders aren't like that so that's
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why i mention it
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all right
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nice even puck bed
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i will say the ds64 gets
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this is for a flat bur grinder this is
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the
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fluffiest
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uh grinds i have ever got out of it so
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it's pretty impressive i think
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all right
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take two
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let's see how this one goes
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so we're gonna pre-infuse
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again waiting till about 10 seconds or
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so
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then i start pulling the shot
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yeah this one's going a lot slower
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in comparison
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this is probably going to be a better
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shot we're gonna find out
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although we're gonna have to go a little
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longer on this
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so who knows all right
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we got 40
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in 39 seconds it's okay though honestly
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i've i've been pulling this particular
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coffee at around 40 seconds with a 10 to
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15 second pre-infusion so probably i
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would have liked a little bit coarser on
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this one and this one i would like a
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little bit finer actually yeah a little
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more
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more difference but you know whatever
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this one had some nice flecking though
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take a look at that shot i don't know if
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you can
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take a look there
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looks pretty anyways
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all right let's uh taste this one first
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got a spoon here let's
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mix it all up
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oops
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oh that's pretty good
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actually
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it comes off with a lot of cinnamon i
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have i don't think i've gotten cinnamon
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flavors on
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this coffee before but
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the way this pool definitely has a lot
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of cinnamon
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now i'm getting that apple a little bit
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not bad
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has a little bit of bitterness that i
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again because it came out faster i had
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to pull it at a lower bar
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so
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yeah
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let's take this one this one's got a lot
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nice crema
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stir it up
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that one's near perfect
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that one is chocolatey
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caramely
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has a really nice body
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it has that like kind of silky
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um you know tongue feel a little a
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little creamy almost
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yeah very nice
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but again that has nothing to do with
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necessarily the grinder it's just that
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i pulled a better shot with that one
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but anyways um
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now it does make me wonder though
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because this was pulling
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pretty fine shots
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so i wonder if it has something to do
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with that it was single dosed doesn't
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make sense to me but who knows
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grinders can do funny things making
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espresso is a challenge as many of you
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know
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anyways um
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as you know i've already scored both
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these i can't remember exactly what was
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this an eight point something we gave
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this one like an eight eight or
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something like that and we gave this one
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a nine
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nine point two i think it's a very very
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good grinder
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if you
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want a super fast grinder that's very
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quiet and
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you know
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just can perform very well for a long
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time
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this is
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definitely an option but
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again it's 1500 versus 500 i think for
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the average home barista this is
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punching above its weight and it's a
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really really great grinder this one you
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know this is like for
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crazy
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insane expert home barista or
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i would actually recommend it for sure
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for like a a coffee even a high volume
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coffee bar like 2.8 seconds 2.6 seconds
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to pull shots super super fast so um if
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there's any comments let me know any
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questions anything like that
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sounds like we do not have any so
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we are gonna wrap it up
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we're gonna say goodbye to the eureka we
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loved it it was so nice to have around
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it's gonna be sad special shout out
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before i uh end the video uh to espresso
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outlet i'll leave links in the
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description so you can purchase this
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grinder directly from them
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and i will catch you in the next video
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thanks again everyone